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Jim's Marketing Blog: Twitter photo shock from PhotoShop

  • Snow Vandemore · 12 months ago
    I can understand if a woman did a little smoothie here and there, but men usually don't care about that sort of thing. At least, not the men I'm accustomed to. Interesting post, Jim. I'll be looking at those avatars more closely now. :)
  • darryl ohrt · 12 months ago
    I've been the victim of the same.

    I once met a woman who has her photo prominently displayed on her blog and eNewsletters in the header - similar to the way you do on JimsMarketingBlog. PROMINENT.

    I learned after meeting her in person that the photo was from several years ago (by the looks of it), and that she is now a brunette, instead of blond.

    Weird.
  • Arlene Radasky · 12 months ago
    I have a friend who has a picture up that was taken years ago, in full makeup, and doesn't look like her at all. I often wonder what others think, when they meet her.

    Loose trust? Yes, I think so.
  • Matthew Gilbert · 12 months ago
    Great story, Jim, and one that is, I suspect, quite common.

    I think the "bend, don't break" approach is best in a case like this. Your image is a representation of you, both in a literal visual form and the more figurative subtext that the visual appearance communicates.

    I agree with your friend: doctoring your image to the point of total makeover (e.g. Photoshop in lieu of plastic surgery), is dishonest and shallow. Using an outdated photo (more than 1 year old) earns the same dubious distinction). Of course, for those involved in online pursuits, anything more than five minutes is generally considered outdated!

    Admittedly, I spent some time yesterday "enhancing" recent family photos with Photoshop (I event tweeted about it). However, I was careful to, as your friend suggested, only "clean up" what was already there (blemishes, dirt from the scanner, etc.).

    For fun I actually "went extreme" on one picture of my son and, in doing so, made him look exceptionally different just by changing a few key features. But, I am always careful to ensure that any changes I make help to better communicate the underlying image and don't drastically change what that image actually is.
  • carolynn · 12 months ago
    @skydiver while doing the live broadcast yesterday!

    Shock value is lessened in the world we live in with doctored photos. There is initial shock then adaptability kicks in quick. Virtual is so strong that is it different than an animated avatar? Trust and gut reaction will always be a measurement - if it stops at the image, it's bound to happen again soon enough in ones next step. I think it's clever when someone makes themselves look 'hot' and 'good'.

    There is dealing with looking at the photo of yourself that exists for the universe to see, and when it is appealing it feels better. My FB photo is not doctored but was taken before a MTV Best Week Ever party - what year was that the Big hit. My friends thankfully say it looks recent.
  • Rick · 12 months ago
    Excellent post...trust through creating a relationship with your readers/followers is key!

    If anyone hasn't noticed "brick and mortar" has entered cyberspace and about time.

    Don't know about you but the deceivers are dropping fast and the "white hat" approach is it.

    If you don't service your people and make it about "them" you'll drop as fast as you came in.

    You have great value here and am going to follow your site.

    You are on the mark, brother... keep up the great work here!

    Blessings
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    BTW:

    Ya know how I'm bald, heavy and kind of 'worn' in my pictures - I look just the same in 'real-life!'
  • Molly · 12 months ago
    Great Post. I had never really thought about it, because so often we are thinking of what people might think if they knew we were fat or we had a mole the size of Kansas on our nose...but removing those things that are so much a part of who we genuinely are...is dishonest.

    Just like using an image from when we were 17 and we are now 45.

    Lots to think about.
    Thanks!
  • jacque · 12 months ago
    sometimes people are so insecure in themselves that they feel the need to "pretty-up" the package to extremes. sometimes this can actually be seen as part of a pathology in which the person is so focused on altering appearances that they are fully unaware or unconscious of the disparity between the fantasy (doctored picture) and the reality (actual appearance). i'm not sure i'd see it wholly as dishonesty. i'd be more inclined to see it as an insecurity on that person's part.
  • Imie · 12 months ago
    Great post Jim. Now i am wondering, how often should you change your profile pictures then?
  • Richard · 12 months ago
    I would be very taken aback if someone had hevily photoshopped their picture in that way.

    I'm all for making things look a little btter, but to do it to make yourself look 25+ years younger is wrong in my opinion.

    Trust does take huge knock in this circumstances, it makes you think, what else has this person embellished about themselves? Is there another surprise about to be sprung.

    As already pointed out, it's fine to photoshop out a spot on your face, but thats where it should end.
  • Tami Chandler · 12 months ago
    I absolutely agree that it would mostly be construed as being dishonest. It would obviously be embarrassing for most people, but it did not seem to affect this fellow... HMMMM... :) 20 years in age is a huge difference. Just 'thinking'... Good Post!
  • Cathy · 12 months ago
    Realtors are notorious for using outdated pictures. I know of one realtor that uses a "glamour shot" picture because she really liked it. It shows her as a brunette & she is now a blond! Since the picture is part of our branding, it really should be updated occasionally. I am one of those guilty parties that need to update!
  • Jay Groccia · 12 months ago
    As a full-time professional photographer I deal with this nearly every day. I've shot over 500 business portraits and professional identity packages for real estate agents, attorneys, home inspectors, mortgage professionals, financial advisers, and other professionals.
    My goal is to create a portrait that makes people look warm, friendly, approachable, and most of all PROFESSIONAL.
    I use Photoshop much like all my other tools - lighting, angle, makup, lenses. A photograph is a representation of something at a specific moment of time (shorter than the blink of an eye), yet the viewer can literally study that image. Every person on nearly every magazine cover has has retouching done to the face. It's my job to make that person look as good as possible and avoid 'cartoon'. Despite my best efforts, I've had clients in te past DEMAND their face look like a Barbie doll - I find that completely unnatural and show them how even a 20 year old will still have folds and 'wrinkles' in their skin. It's certainly fine to reduce and over the years have developed my own techniques to make people look great, but absolutely recognizable.
    I find the 'Glamour Shots' look ridiculous for a professional shot - fine if you want to have a 'fun' portrait, but not for a business card.
    I feel I also must point out that the other end of the spectrum is also insane - how many avatars and online photos do you see with people doing their headshot with a cell phone, or cropped out of a group shot, or standing in front of a wall with hard lighting, side shadow, holding a phone, and looking completely UN-professional? What's the point of that?
    Want a great portrait? Treat it the same way you treat your clothing or hair - find a competent professional, discuss your needs, and update it every couple of years.
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    Jay,

    Some GREAT points there from a professional photographer's perspective. Thank you.

    I agree with you totally regarding the use of 'glamour shots' for business. Unless the man / woman works in a suitable profession, they always look completely inappropriate to me.

    I think the balance you mention, making people look great but absolutely recognizable, is about right.
  • Carri Bright · 12 months ago
    This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes by Tolstoy who said "It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness".

    You look like what you look like and no amount of doctored or retouched photos is going to change that. In addition, no amount of physical alteration is going to make you a better person.

    When you are happy with yourself, then it's as if a switch is turned and beauty can shine from within, regardless of whether or not society finds you naturally beautiful.

    I think it's perfectly natural to mistrust anyone who mistrusts themselves so much as to hide who they are from the World.

    If you don't have faith in yourself, how can you expect others to have faith in you?
  • Aniket Ray · 12 months ago
    Personally I'll trust such a person a bit less.

    But there is another way we can see this. It's quite possible that the person had to no wrong intentions in uploading such a pic. It also shows that he's actually good at the work he claims to be good at.
  • kathy condon · 12 months ago
    My sister has become a master at working with photographs---especially older ones. Recently she put a favorite team shirt on a man. Impossible to detect. It goes back to what I train...people trust people who are real. When did we start thinking wrinkles are soooo terrible?
  • Tanya · 12 months ago
    In our business, we don't use Photoshop for any of our personal pictures on any of the social media sites we use. In fact, we post before and after photos on our blog that have not had a stich of Photoshop editing performed on them. Who wants to see an after photo that's computer generated?

    Traditional advertising is different. In our experience, pictures that are not Photoshopped for traditional advertising end up looking somewhat sloppy.
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    Tanya,

    That's an interesting perspective, especially as I recall you have a beauty product business.

    Thanks.
  • Karen · 12 months ago
    Oh, most definitely...no trust whatsoever there...I'm also a photographer who captures the best of someone by lighting, that moment in time, etc. I even use PhotoShop here and there to polish up a portrait...but drastically changing who you are, even if you are a gifted graphics designer...IDK, can you say "close to fraud"???

    While I can admire that kind of talent...I don't think I could or would trust that person to be on the up-and-up with me regardless of initial intentin altering one's online appearance.
  • Maria · 12 months ago
    First thing that came to my mind when reading this was: what does this guy have to hide? Most likely a rather low self-image he's trying to bolster with a fake image.

    Showing off your photoshop skills is great for a portfolio - not cool for a representation of YOU.
  • Beth · 12 months ago
    This is a great post, it made me think of the other side. When you see a really bad photo of a person. Some are just too fuzzy, or the person is so far back you can't tell what they look like. Then there are the photos where people just look bad, strange looks on their face or they just look angry at the world.
  • Jan Tallent · 12 months ago
    Jim, I am totally with her on the trust thing. It is not like he could have accidentally forgotten the pics did not look like himself or were from 20 years ago. Even though she was not getting fooled by a date site or something personal it does help to be able to recognize at least something from a picture to a meet with the person!

    I have been marketing online for ten years now and DID accidentally do the "same pic for 8 years" thing but just did not think about the fact that I was, in fact, maybe misrepresenting myself by leaving my pic from age 44 on all of my web sites until 2007 when it was called to my attention. Though it was never my intent to mislead and they are all business sites, I may have, in fact, have been misleading. Everyone who saw only that "younger version" of me pic still recognizes me when they see me face to face but that really is NOT me any longer, so I fixed it. I HATE to get my picture taken and really LIKED that one but the point is that is no longer me and I could not expect anyone to not notice that now.

    In her case I feel even if it did not ruin the trust issue the fact that she was made so uncomfortable by his omissions would turn ME off the business connection. Just MHO.
  • Barbara · 12 months ago
    I would definitely lose trust in that person (before I had even a chance to develop it)! Very interesting post!
  • igster101 · 12 months ago
    I was handed a business card by a realtor at a conference. She came by later and dropped a second card in our contest bowl. The two pictures were totally different. She didn't look like either card.
  • Lisisilveira · 12 months ago
    Twitter is not a dating site! Where you expect the person to use a week old picture! Or an official B2B or B2C site!

    Most will never meet anyone in real life. Did the person said he looked like his picture or the other just assumed it? I understand the disappointment of someone that expects a completely different person, but also understand someone that wants to look good on a small picture on twitter!!

    BTW my pictures look better than I do in real life but it is me and in the last year.

    It reminds me of a story about Picasso when someone asked him if he would paint a picture of his wife "but as she really was" , and he asked how does she really looks like .. the man took a picture from his walled and showed to him ... and he answered... oh she is really very little and FLAT isn't she?

    so, in my opinion, unless there was false statements like I am 30 and someone of 60 appears that would be no big deal...
  • Susan P. Joyce · 12 months ago
    Interesting - got new photos taken in December since my "official" photo had become so dated. My hair is much longer and much grayer, now, but what you see is what you get. Looks like it was a good idea to do the update.

    I haven't had the visual dissonance problem since, pre-Twitter, I knew someone offline before connecting online. But, these are different times - and maybe more interesting. Don't know if I would have reacted as strongly, but I probably would have.
  • Alex Landefeld · 12 months ago
    Ah, the ol' "you can't tell a book by it's cover". Some of the best books I've found in used bookstores have had tattered, unattractive covers. Similarly, you can't tell a bookshop by the potentially unassuming exterior (Patty Weir's Paperbacks, in Greensburg, PA is a good example).

    So, like books, you cannot tell a person by his/her/it's avatar. Although, as some of the previous commentors are pointing out, beauty suggests goodness, I would never assume appearance from an avatar - that's why when I'm meeting someone for the first time, I describe myself first, the kind of car I'm driving, etc. An alteration of appearance may appear to be deceiving... but do we fault newscasters who sometime appear shorter in real life than they do on the news broadcasts? Of course not (though human nature is to be shocked at a marked difference).

    That's why I like using non-human avatars for my various twitter profiles. This isn't a rule for me... but it helps to provide a non-prejudiced voice to the maelstrom - we don't need to be prejudged from the get-go on whether our hair is white or brown, whether our skin-tone is green or violet, whether our teeth are bright or missing, etc. :-)
  • Irene Koehler · 12 months ago
    Really interesting and timely question, Jim, as we all become more "visible" and "real" online. Not so sure that trust would be the largest issue for me, although this would make me wonder what other details had been "fact-shopped" to tweak someone's backstory in the same way the photo had been tweaked.

    The larger issue is the disconnect in priorities. If someone felt that they needed to alter some part of their appearance in order to present a more compelling business case, we are definitely out of sync and if we're out of sync that early in the process, we're not off to a good start.

    Saw a great comedian the other night talk about the frequency with which people post altered or older photos. He suggested that photos be taken while holding up the day's newspaper, with date prominently displayed.

    That aside, I do think there is a valid generational issue here. My fellow baby boomers were brought up being taught to never share too much personal information for safety/privacy reasons, so the idea of ultimate truth and transparency can be a challenging leap for some. It is second nature for others raised with this notion. Admittedly, I've come a long way with this myself, but it has been a learning process. I'm now on board the WYSIWYG train and have my photo plastered everywhere. Don't like it, don't call me - I'm OK with that.
  • AZMike aka Mike Feddersen · 12 months ago
    Hey Jim great post, very timely I think and it sure does bring out the guilt, at least in me.

    Not only do I use an obscure photo of myself, I use one with our baby to "borrow his credibility" I guess as "social proof" that I too can nurture something therefore I must be likable, credible? Something like that... after studying under Dan Kennedy, DK disciples like Scott Tucker and reading Robert Cialdini's "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" is it any wonder that we start to market ourselves in the best favorable light?

    I am also guilty of using an alias "azmike", as if nothing that Mike Feddersen has to say is worth reading? Self-esteem issues, probably. It's funny though because I did a search one time of azmike on google and darned if a ton of gay sites or porn came up, I'm not into either but evidently I am even using that to lend credibility? Funny(sad) right?

    Oh well, time to go find a more representable photo of myself and maybe add "Mike Feddersen" to my @azmike twitter description.

    AZMike... er Mike Feddersen

    P.S. I know it's not very observant of me but when I first linked to you on twitter I did not realize you were as popular as you are. hmmmm? Using Jim's blog to lend credibility to myself by posting there? (Probably.)
  • Ed Andriessen · 12 months ago
    Interesting subject framed in a relevant story. Nice job, Jim.

    I am fortunate to have a wife who is a realist and she prompts me to get professional photos every five years.

    Although my face has not changed much in the past 15 years, you can see the steady march of the hair as it moves further and further back on my head.

    Yes, it's best to "keep it real". This way people who meet you in person for the first time don't have to make the require "cognitive shift" between fantasy and reality (and they don't sit there thinking, "my god, where's all his hair?").
  • Anne Goodrich · 12 months ago
    I'm a designer too, and I have no problem with enhancing photos to smooth blemishes, fly-away hair strands, whiten teeth a smidge, etc. As tempting as it might be to erase years from my 50+ year old face, it'd never occurred to me to do that. In fact when a photo is a few years old I realize I should update it to show the real me. So yes, I can see why the heavy-handed Photoshopping would create a trust issue. We do judge a book by its cover, and don't want to feel that we've been handed the wrong book cover all along. Interesting subject - thanks!
  • Mistress Mia · 12 months ago
    Your profile picture is important for gaining the attention of your reader in a busy twitter stream, but I can't see how it serves anyone to pull a bait and switch.

    Disappointment and loss of trust to the audience aside ... beauty is subjective and you may have robbed yourself from being liked, loved and respected for exactly the person you are.

    Love your post Jim.
  • Todd Adamson · 12 months ago
    I am a professional photographer, so perhaps belong to the group most guilty of "avatar enhancement." When I meet fellow photogs from forums, they are consistently older and fatter than their avatars. I think it's a fun game trying to pick them out, hahaha!

    My own philosophy is to try to make my clients look their best, without lying about who they are. I definitely believe you should be recognizable from your avatar.

    I often do excessive "artistic" processing of my own pics (see my Twitter av), but still hope people would recognize me if they saw me in person.

    Fun post!
  • Shannon Cherry · 12 months ago
    Wait! You mean I should have made my picture look better, thinner, more beautiful because it will have me appear more appealing?

    I've met a few people who end up looking nothing like their web identities. It's so fake. And as you can see from the comments, a bad move!

    But I guess Photoshop is cheaper than lypo.
  • oceania · 12 months ago
    it seems a lot like the if i lust in my head over someone is it cheating...
    i dont use photos of myself any more...if someone does look me up online the photos are 4-7yearsold and i tell them that.I am vain enough to only want the world to see me as i want to be seen. but not so vain as to deceive myself...
  • Martin Schecter · 12 months ago
    I kind of agree with Lisisilvera here. Unless you are using Twitter as a dating site or a way to hook up, what does it matter? I've had long-term business relationships with many people that I've never even seen a picture of, and when I meet them in person it's always a bit of a shock since your mental image never corresponds exactly with what they actually look like. I'm not sure that your Twitter picture is supposed to be a business headshot so much as a creative reflection of personality. In that regard then, maybe this guy feels like his 30-year-old self, so I don't see the harm, unless the guy was trying to intentionally deceive this woman in other ways. If not, then I would ask myself: was the interest purely business?
  • Martin Schecter · 12 months ago
    I should add: I kind of expect that people wouldn't think I look like my avatar now....
  • krissy knox · 12 months ago
    I'd lose complete trust if somebody were twice the age they represented themselves as. There is nothing wrong with putting your best photo online, bu I don't believe in photoshopping it up to make it look great. On my photo, wht you see is what you get. I was chastized recently for not having a better photo. I was told it looked like a "social media" or "twitter" photo, in disdain and disgust, when I showed it to someone. "Well that's what it is," I chortled back. With me, if somebody doesn't want to look at my photo -- they don't have to. You get what you got -- it represents the real me. I'm serious, yet I'm happy, smiling and positive. That's just me! I hope you're respresenting yourself as yourself also!

    Krissy :)
  • Coach Roth · 12 months ago
    It's simply cheating and won't help you in the long run (when you have to meet in person) anyway, so why spent your precious time fiddling with photoshop? Well, the Dove Evolution Video (published already 2 years ago on youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U) might explain why some people think they have to...
  • Jay Groccia · 12 months ago
    Seems like people are taking an all or nothing attitude here. I think some posters need to take a deep breath and think about this. There is a big difference between a abit of makeup to even out skin tones, and a bit of lipstick and eye makeup for definition versus over-the-top theatrical makeup or high-drama makeup. Well retouching is the same thing. There is nothing wrong with using Photoshop to even out skin tones, removing blemishes and giving teeth a bit of whitening.

    If you were to meet a potential client for the first time would you make sure that your hair was in place? Would you wear nice clothes or would you wear what you wore to clean out the garage over the weekend?
    Looking sharp and professional is not a sin - just as Don Draper. I think the photo you place online should look like you, but not be so bad that it makes you look bad either.
    Think about this: If you were asked to appear on a national TV show for an interview would you refuse the makeup and styling and appear on camera like you just came home from a night of partying or just rolled out of bed?
    If the answer is no, then why would you choose that look for your avatar???
  • juliewalraven · 12 months ago
    Hi Jim,

    I agree with the others that the designer was wrong to mislead the person he was meeting. It strikes me as a little funny because he had to know that she would be looking for someone like the photos. Extreme PhotoShoping is definitely dishonest.

    My photo is the way I look, I even wore that jacket to church this morning! Someone commented on changing hair color etc. I do think that with women, in particular, it isn't fair to expect a photo that is totally a match. Women color, perm, change lengths, and more so what could be current one day might be different the next.

    I know that there are people who think you should put up more candid shots as your online presence. I don't know if I'm ready for that.

    As usual your blog gives plenty to think about.
  • Phil Ladden · 12 months ago
    Interesting post, Jim. I unfortunately look EXACTLY like my twitter photo! Maybe photoshop should be the next digital tool I pick up :).
  • Darren Christie · 12 months ago
    Reading this makes me feel very lucky indeed that so far in the Outdoors world that I hang out in (blog wise) that we don't have this sort of problem.
    Although I do know one guy who refuses to have any photos on his blog that you are able to tell who he is. He is very very protective of his identity on line. Almost paranoid if you ask me.
    But yes I think that any image you have on line should be accurate and truthful.
    I see nothing wrong showing older images as long as it is clear that these are old photos.
  • John Collins · 12 months ago
    Hi Jim -

    I kind of find it strange. I would see it as an insecurity issue and hope it wasn't done with dishonest intent. I may wonder what else is real. I also know we constantly hear sex and youth sell. In a business situation I would hope it was done with business in mind and not a lure for other things. I have seen this myself on business cards of Realtors. I don't think most of the people that get it done look much better. They might. They should have saved their money. lol

    I have not retouched any photo of myself. I guess it's because I really don't care what others think one way or the other. Even when I worked in the corporate world I pretty much did and dressed as I wanted and not what was often expected of me. Luckily I was good enough at what I did that my eccentric behavior was tolerated. I was one of the lucky ones that survived the US public school system even though they tried to turn me into a cookie cutter working zombie like all the others:)

    Basically when it comes down to it I don't care why or if they do or don't do it. I have photoshop and could easily take away my battle scars but it's not going to happen I earned them.
  • Coach Roth · 12 months ago
    @Jay Groccia: nicing up is OK, IMHO, but modifying beyond recognition is not.
  • Leslie Carothers · 12 months ago
    I find this discussion SO interesting!

    My head shot on twitter as you now see it(minus the Santa hat) was taken in late September so it is about 3 months old. I had it taken-as a professional business shot-by Glamour Shots. I use it everywhere I am online.

    I have had more than three people comment (on Twitter)on my "perfect" skin. In each case, I wrote back to tell them-on the public timeline-that the shot was a Glamour shot and the final shot has had minor touch ups which is why my skin looks as it does in that photo. My real skin is not quite so perfect, but I look very close to that shot in real life except, now, my hair is shorter.

    I think it is VERY important to be transparent about your image on Twitter because I think many people, whether right or wrong, make assumptions about you based on that first visual. If it's been HEAVILY doctored, people will automatically know that you are insecure or uncomfortable with your age or the way you look. I, for one, don't want to present a false impression right out of the gate.

    I have also stated my age, 52, earlier in my public Twitter timeline and believe it is important for women,especially, to be transparent re: their age.

    The wonderful friends I've made online, both in my professional and personal lives, feel, hopefully, that they can trust me BECAUSE I am so open and honest with this information.

    I am not going to let someone think I have perfect, dewy skin, am 35 or so..if I simply said thank you to a few of the compliments that have come my way re: my skin in that picture-I would be purposely leaving false impressions.

    So, why did I choose a Glamour Shot for my pro portrait? Because they DO know exactly how to portray people in the VERY BEST light and they do know how to do your hair and apply your makeup in the most flattering way possible for portrait photography. That WAS worth my money because I wanted to look my best for this shot-as long as "looking my best" represented the authentic me-smoothed out a bit!
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    Some amazing comments here!

    It's wonderful to see how much richer the discussion becomes; when a group of people decide to contribute with such great comments.

    Thanks!
  • Jay Groccia · 12 months ago
    Totally agree with Coach Roth. I tell my clients it is a game of millimeters. The lens makes your nose look a bit fatter, and I bring it back to normal in Photoshop. One thing that I didn't mention before is that the act of making a photograph distorts reality - the photographer is charged with taking something that lives in three dimensions and stuffing it into two. Also, because the face is in constant motion, the act of photographing it freezes it - my job is to make sure it is a pleasant moment in time.
  • Jennifer · 12 months ago
    I agree...why be dishonest with a photo if you are building a business...and a business...as many have said, is built on trust...relationships, etc. anything...all trust. If someone feels like they have to dr. their photo that much...hmmm...what are they hiding? On the other hand, first impressions are key...so, how bout just go for some good lighting and a great angle?
  • Edward Moore · 12 months ago
    Hello Jim,

    Thanks for the great post and the GREAT Lesson, for everyone to learn from.

    Anytime we are expecting one thing and get something different (especially that different) we are going to be disappointed and NOT trust the source.

    He should have at the very least sent her a recent picture of himself (before meeting) and told her he had other pictures on his site for publicity/business reasons. He also could have put a note under the pictures on his site, saying:

    "This is me 20 years ago!"

    I think that would have made the younger looking pictures more acceptable.

    Personally, I believe in HONESTY and to put pictures knowing they look nothing like him at the present time, to me is dishonest. And it would be hard for him to build trust with people if he needs to meet them in person.

    Thanks again for the great LESSON for us to all learn from!!!

    To your health,
    Edward Moore
  • Jody · 12 months ago
    No question it's a deal-breaker.

    The other side is that there are those who deliver in spades in person & are limited in online venues by the representation of single photo.

    For example, I'm rarely hit on online whereas I'm hit on chronically in person to the point where it’s a major pain in the ass and my 18 yr old daughter complaints profusely about it, laughs about it and purposely embarrasses me at family gathering by recanting stories about it. If I get the interview I get the job ...keeping it or course is another discussion.

    The material point being that in both cases onliners aren't getting the full story, either to our advantage or to our disadvantage.

    So, is it only false advertising if we show up worse than expected? What if we show up far better than our picture represents? Is if still false advertising or does that just make it your lucky day?
  • Char (PSI Tutor) · 12 months ago
    it would be great if the negative perception of heavily doctored photos here were also reflected in our perceptions of celebrity photos. it seems we often just accept what they do, no wonder others are following.

    a doctored photo says to me "interested in image" and I want to network with those who are interested in people.

    and that includes not setting up unrealistic expectations of what a person looks like.
  • Isabella · 12 months ago
    Great post Jim, I agree, I would lose trust in doing business with that person. Why should you hide yourself with an outdated or photoshopped picture. Getting older is not a crime, it's life. I am 53, photoshop my looks? - no way! If you feel uncomfortable with a recent picture on your blog or business website it might be better not using one at all, instead of using a photoshopped or outdated you...
  • Linnet Woods · 12 months ago
    Well I hadn't thought about the subject in this way at all and I'm having to think hard and fast! My online photo is 13 years old and was the nearest one I had in the right size some ten years ago when I was asked for a photo online.

    Partly out of laziness because it would mean changing it in so many other places and partly because I don't have a more recent photo handy (if I even possess one, since it is always me taking the pictures)I have just gone on using the same photo without giving the honesty question any thought.

    When I look at the picture it represents the me I know but I was 42 then and now I'm 55 and am considerably more weatherbeaten I'm sure, to say the least!

    I'm not going to rush away from this page and scrabble desperately for a more recent photo to change to all over the Internet but you have certainly made me realise that, if I ever agree to meet anyone who knows me from the Internet, I must remember to warn them that they have seen a very old photo and to expect an old wreck by comparison! LOL
  • Napoleon · 12 months ago
    Great post AND great comments. Perception is part of your personal brand. A doctored photo says something about you and your business practices. Are outdated photos a bad thing? Maybe if they're outdated to the point of neglect. A person shouldn't be surprised when they meet you for the first time.
  • Mary · 12 months ago
    this is so interesting. i have an older photo of myself on my blog and recently i've been thinking i need to update it. my hair is darker, i'm older ;-)

    and i recently met a blogger i would not have recognized from their picture because it was so outdated and smoothed up.

    kind of funny, actually....and at the same time pretty important since it's the only way people can know you online--through your picture!

    my twitter avatar is a piece of my artwork, not a picture of me...and the artwork is real and really mine ;-)
  • Bert Decker · 12 months ago
    Trust is critical. Photo must be close to age and look. Since I'm a grandfather I wrestle with 'maturity' (I like that term rather than aging) but am glad I look younger than my years. Nonetheless, I am using a pic two years ago, and we are changing both website and blog design, and pic, to be recent. Twitter pic will be coming soon.
    Thanks Jim, your blog and tweets are great.
    Bert
  • Bert Decker · 12 months ago
    In the last two weeks I met with @JeffAbel and @JulieAbel in Colorado Springs, and @TheMarketingGuy in Austin because of Twitter. Great story of Twitter power, three strangers a month ago are now friends and associates. And there was no Photo Shock.
    Bert
  • Brian Williams · 12 months ago
    My opinion is that on a non-dating site such as Twitter or LinkedIn, if you want to show an alternate image of you that does not challenge "trust" have a artist sketch or "cartoon" persona created of you. That way, you can avoid violating any trust as you are obviously not a cartoon and it can preserve your key features (i.e. beard, long hair, bald, glasses, etc...). I have seen many profile images use this technique effectively.
  • zeeshan · 12 months ago
    interesting post, it happens when you associate expectations and you become obsessed with the profile pic. However, we should remember that pics can be really very deceptive.
  • Mary MacIntyre · 12 months ago
    Wow! Such an incredible response! We have become such a sensitive society. Perhaps this much ado about....?

    Having been in lots of sales positions, first contact can be startling for both parties. One over the initial shock, with the real person you can really sum up a lot with real eye contact etc. Image isn't really everything. Trust is an on-going relationship. I might look marvelous or awful at first contact. However if I can follow through, keep a committment, and get the job done: then my client has a greater base for trust or not.

    Life is full of surprizes and unexpected connects.

    Fortunately, I've been able to overlook pre-packaged presentation, or even outrageous personality traits, and have found common ground to work with.
    Boy, twiiter is powerful. Mary
    www.about-albuquerquenm.com
  • Mary MacIntyre · 12 months ago
    Oh yeah, I'm a photographer (plus) and choose often to use my photos as avatars. Sometimes apic of me everchanging though as life moves on.

    A snapshot is just that, a glimmer of a moment in time.
  • VincentWright · 12 months ago
    First, since it's a graphic, I hope NO ONE ever confuses my icon for the real me! :-)

    But, you're correct: as funny as it may seem to some, altering a photo and promoting it as if it is a truthfully correct image of you is not funny - especially if it looks nothing like how you currently look.

    Along a similar vein, I recently wrote about a Linkedin member who's openly IMPERSONATING another culture:
    http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/forum/topic...

    The member was calling himself "Bob Smith" but, when in my phone conversation with him I noticed his speech pattern, he revealed to me his real name - which, by the way, was nothing close to "Bob Smith".

    Of course, such impersonations completely destroy trust - the very essence of all business dealings...

    Thanks and, Keep STRONG, Jim!!
    Vincent
  • Taryn · 12 months ago
    This was a phenomenal post which brought up a really timely point. I recently saw a live broadcast from someone I follow and they looked NOTHING like their online picture! In addition, the way they dressed and their mannerisms were nothing like the professional person they portrayed themselves as. I even told my husband that it really affected my perspective on them as well as their credibility.

    People really need to think twice before editing pictures as it's such a basic form of deception. If your picture is online, it can easily become your brand. If they don't match up, what kind of trustworthiness are they exuding??

    Thank you for a fantastic post!

    - Taryn
  • Gina Schreck · 12 months ago
    This made me laugh out loud since I am a professional speaker and in this business it is one of my pet peeves-if your clients no longer recognize you when you show up to speak...GET A NEW HEAD SHOT! If your looks bother you that much, get a makeover! I would have a hard time getting past the fact that they now look like the crypt keeper instead of the pup they presented that I would have a hard time listening to anything else they said! Thanks for the laugh!
  • Anne Goodrich · 12 months ago
    I just had to stop back in. Jay said, "Seems like people are taking an all or nothing attitude here," and I totally agree. There are good reasons to have photos enhanced - not overhauled. If you had a professional photographer take your picture, no doubt s/he would do some work in Photoshop to give you the best possible look. An inexpensive choice can be to have a designer enhance a less professional image of you to make sure you're putting your best foot forward on your web site, and social networks. Some enhancement just means that you're paying attention to every detail in order to convey a professional image. The right designer will use a soft touch to do that, and not make it look like you've suddenly had major cosmetic work. As usual, it's about balance and moderation.
  • Kyle Reddoch · 12 months ago
    Jim,

    Great post again! I would lose my "trust" in someone if I was to meet them and they looked nothing like the photo that they have on the internet. Gets me thinking, "What are they hiding when they doctor up images?"
  • Eric Hamilton · 12 months ago
    Anne, I disagree that hiring a graphic designer is a good "cheaper" alternative than hiring a professional photographer for some headshots.

    Photo retouchers can indeed make your point-and-shoot photos look better, but that's not saying much. The difference between a retouched bad photo and a photograph that was styled and shot well in the first place is huge.

    How do I know? I've done both. I made my living for a while as a photo retoucher, and now I'm a professional photographer. I believe strongly that you should get it as close as you can on camera, and use retouching either very minimally, or in creative and expressive ways (such as hyper-reality composites).

    Also, to those who think any photoshop is bad, your photographs used to go to film processing centers where they were exposure corrected and color balanced in a lab. Now your camera does a crap job of it. As a professional photographer who used to develop photos in darkrooms, I can tell you that a photo isn't really finished until it's been through a digital darkroom.

    I've rarely seen a photograph straight from the camera that couldn't use a little help, with color, contrast, or the odd zit removal.
  • Rob McGuire · 12 months ago
    Removing a pimple or smoothing out some other blemish is OK in my opinion, but to photomagic yourself 20+ years younger? Not OK.

    This is especially important when your business is online. You are marketing yourself either through a service or a product and if you are altering your own image that way it could easily cause potential customers to wonder what else you may be altering. Just my thought..
  • Lisa Nardi · 12 months ago
    I agree that this does alot to destroy and damage trust and reminds me of the old days of online dating where you met at a public place and couldn't find the person because the photo was of them in their 20's yet now they were in their late 50's. I won't put up a picture of myself that is more than a few months old as I change my haircolor twice a year and would like everyone to know what I look like and I'm not afraid to tell anyone that I'm over 50. No one believes me when I say that, but I've never known a woman to lie up about her age.
    Lisa
  • Jane · 12 months ago
    Jim, getting a photo done for my web site was one of the more traumatic things I had to do! It is now a year old so I guess I ought to get another!

    I did go to a professional, of course - it's a professional site, and he gave me so many to choose from I was boggled. In the end we chose the one that family, friends and colleagues said looked most like me and I thought was the most honest representation. But this has reminded me that I probably need to add a new one in 2009!
  • Tamara · 12 months ago
    Trust would certainly be an issue. However, so would the fact that the person is not comfortable or confident enough with who they are and how they look to be real. Nothing wrong with looking your best but I feel we miss the boat when we take more time with how our outside package portrays us than polishing what is inside.
  • Catherine Jane · 12 months ago
    If you are planning to use your social networking sites to generate business then definitely have an up to date picture of yourself. I would be inclined to wonder what else this man had to hide, yes it may be plain old vanity on his part, though as they were planning to meet wouldn't it have be the sensible thing to say "by the way that photo of me isn't reaistic". Then again maybe he is seriously dis-illusioned and thinks he does look like that. Creepy!
  • JR Moreau · 12 months ago
    I feel that if the deceiving is done intentionally, then there will be problems with the relationship down the road, whether it is professional or romantic. I feel your subject felt correctly.
  • Tracey · 12 months ago
    This is definitely an issue of trust. I understand doctoring photos for touch ups, like lighting, removing red eye or any other undesirable marks. However, when you make yourself look like another person, you have to question the person's credibility. If he's dishonest about something as trivial and simple as his looks, what else will he attempt? Not someone I would consider doing business with.
  • faryl · 12 months ago
    I think it boils down to intent.

    In this case, the person seems to be technically savvy enough to be able to update their website to add current pictures, plus as a designer is aware of their impact. It also sounds like he purposefully changed the pictures . . . All a bit questionable, I'll agree.

    That said, some folks may not update pics as frequently, rely on their company's corporate bio pics or be a bit out of touch with the reality of aging/weight gain/etc.

    Personally, my hair style and weight both fluctuate - the constants are usually my smile & my sunglasses! My blog includes photos from the time I was born through last week, so hopefully people have a pretty accurate picture of who they're talking to!

    Great post - loved reading the comments as well!
  • Neil Denny · 12 months ago
    I once met with a contact from a social business network (Ecademy.com)

    We recognised each other just fine. I was taken aback though when he said "You look much less severe in real life than in your profile picture."

    "Oh really, I wasn't trying to look severe." I replied.

    "Yes," he went on "I could have guessed that." stating back to me the bleeding obvious that I had just laboured upon him.

    After that curious opening we got on very well. I still haven't revisited the profile pic...
  • Global Patriot · 12 months ago
    Variety of aspects to this issue. What people have often done in the past is simply use an older picture, like when they were 10 years younger.

    They might also use a photo in fancy clothes that makes them look better. Then you have that 'perfect' photo, with just the right angle and showing a wonderful smile.

    In the above cases they're trying to 'look their best', yet they probably don't look the same in public.

    With the advent of software that allows photos to be altered, anyone can now produce a 'best look' photo.

    In the end, if you Ever plan to meet people in public, there should at least be a very Strong resemblance, or you run the risk of there being a trust issue.
  • Dave B · 12 months ago
    Great post Jim,

    Whilst I can understand the need for people wishing to remain anonymous (for personal security perhaps) I think as soon as you are in the business of selling 'yourself' you need to use a real photo. (I even dislike cartoon avatars on forums and such like.)

    My own photo was taken by my son about 6 months ago in front of the fireplace in our local pub. I ain't changed much since then. LOL!
  • Alan Langford · 12 months ago
    What I find odd is how little attention people pay to this. At one extreme, people use horrid photos of themselves and are unwilling to spend a relatively small amount to get a professional (or even a department store!) shot done.
    At the other, there are those with shots that look like something out of "Zoolander", which is just plain creepy.
    I'm interested in doing business with real people who care abut their work. This does not include people who think crap is okay, nor does it include people who place style before substance.
  • Ivy Clark · 12 months ago
    Yup, I'll most certainly losetrust and become more guarded if the person looks too different in real life.
  • Maranda Gibson · 12 months ago
    I think it's a sad commentary on our general social principals where someone feels like they must doctor themselves beyond belief in order to grow their client base. I can understand removing a blemish or a red-eye look, but completely changing your appearance? I would love to ask this guy what he was thinking and understand his motivation for going to this extreme.
  • Allison @ Entry Level Living · 12 months ago
    As someone who dates online I can certainly identify with feeling as though your trust has been betrayed. I can see why people would alter their photos for romance, but for business?

    Then again, I have also read about how plastic surgery is the new tool for career advancement...so there you have it.
  • Graham · 12 months ago
    Amazing story. I couldn't do that. Peole want me in my business, not a photoshopped vision of loveliness. Establishing trust in a profession such as mine is imperative so giving out this first impression would be really stupid
  • Heather · 12 months ago
    Well, I guess it comes down to good research too. Call it my library mind, but if someone lives online there is a good chance there is a significant trail of bread crumbs. I simply expect photos, quotes, direct messages and private journal posts to somehow be public in some shape or form. It is not about trusting no one, but more about being online for a decade.

    At least she found him to be a fake early on.

    h
  • Lisisilveira · 12 months ago
    Jim I was reading your post again I am playing devil's advocate here, I wonder why he did not recognized her too... !!
    and as a designer I see nothing wrong with him looking 5 years old... 20 or 30... I would not have a problem at all with that unless I was flirting...

    WE ARE NOT OUR PICTURE! we are much more than that ... no matter how we look at the pictures, good or bad. You just saw people saying they don't even have pictures of themselves... they use any they can find .. it is not relevant ... or a trust issue to me.

    Did she ask him if it was how he looked like or asked his age? it takes 2 to tango and 2 or more to get disappointed... I tell my friends in video conference online you get up to 50% of the information the rest is your mind filling the empty spaces!! just think a little about it!!
    LisiSilveira
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    Lisisilveira,

    Thanks for the comments. My friend does not use a picture of herself in her avatar, it's her business logo.

    The guy admitted deliberately trying to fake his age down, because he thought people only hired 'young' designers!
  • Lisisilveira · 12 months ago
    Jim,
    then it is a completely different story! I feel sorry for him but now I understand better your friend's disappointment... Is there any truth that older designers are not the best? well I am 56 :)but I am not selling anything!! Anyway this was a super nice Blog and we all learned with it ...
    Back to my birthday time :)) Hugs,
    Lisi
  • ALRADY · 12 months ago
    I think it totally depends on what you are using profile for. Some people will never be meeting others in person. And if they are they should update photo pronto.

    Before meeting it wouldn't hurt to send a note that you have onlne persona and this is your real picture...

    Meeting with friends that would be acceptable with knowing beforehand. For business it is INEXCUSABLE.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    It seems we all have slightly different opinions as to what is and isn't acceptable when it comes to the pictures we use in business.

    One of the wonderful things about blogs, is that we get to see what the majority of people think.

    This can be a good way to learn if OUR thinking is in line with our prospective clients / customers.
  • Syyd · 12 months ago
    Photoshop is my business its what I do for a living and everyone in my industry does this, not a one tells the truth, except those very thin and young. Its this worlds obsession with believing if you don't possess those attributes you're simply not worth meeting, business or otherwise. What a shame, the beauty of being human is the dynamic range of looks that accompany fascinating personalities.
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 12 months ago
    Syyd,

    As you can see from my picture on the blog; I'm neither young (Im 43) or thin / handsome (Former heavyweight boxer) - BUT I don't believe it's held me back.

    Or has it?
  • Narciso · 12 months ago
    This certainly has a creepy vibe to it...wanna talk about disappointment, you just summed it up here. YOU LOSE TOTAL CREDIBILITY when you try this kinda stuff. Smoke-n-mirrors NEVER stick around and they NEVER leave anyone happy about the use of em'
  • Courtney · 12 months ago
    I don't know that I would lose complete trust in this person over a doctored avatar! I mean those pics hardly do any of us justice as it is. I would be taken aback and would certainly question why he looked so drastically different, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially if he altered his photo based on concerns of age discrimination. I'd let his work speak for itself, and hey, if his pic was photoshopped that well, perhaps he'd be perfect for the job! :)
  • Lisisilveira · 12 months ago
    Jim you look just great!! and hey none of my pictures in my bio is photoshoped but I know the right angles, of my web cam! LOL and they don't show the wrinkles and open pores etc LOL nor that I am 5'2" or 5'1" and 56 years old! I mean 106...!
  • Flynny · 12 months ago
    Hey Jim,

    I've had a couple of similar experiences and I agree. As much as I'm into the substance of issues and people I couldn't help but have that little doubt in the back of my mind.

    In a competitive world you just don't need to create this situation for yourself.

    BTW - Great blog, really good content. Thanks for following me on Twitter, I followed you back. Look forward to interacting in the future.

    Cheers

    Flynny
  • Debbie Schultz · 11 months ago
    I have to confess that I did smooth out a few wrinkles, but the picture was recent. People who know me just said that I looked good, so I guess subtle use of software is really no worse than make-up. What older women do you know who would leave the house without doing her face?
  • Amethyst Wyldfyre · 11 months ago
    As we move further and further into the light we are becoming more and more transparent energetically to those with eyes to see and at the same time we have these amazing tools and opportunities to create any reality we'd like - there is quite the paradox that is unfolding - my personal preference is to be who I am - I think there is something so valuable in being authentic - beyond the trust issues there is just so much more value that you can offer when you offer your authentic self and you are also offering others the opportunity to come out of the closet and offer their authentic selves to you. Beauty, truth and goodness - all values that I believe open the doors for healing and coming into wholeness.

    Advice from my mom - "Beauty is only skin deep"

    Advice from me - "What you look like on the outside isn't nearly as important as what you are carrying on the inside."
  • Syyd · 11 months ago
    Hey Jim you're lookin mighty fly, I wouldn't worry :-) thanks for the chance to blog with you.

    Syydster
  • Eric Heinzman · 11 months ago
    About the most manipulation I'll be guilty of is taking a couple thousand digital pics to find the best one. If it can't be done the old-fashioned way via lighting, pose. etc., then it's false advertising.
  • Lizz Harmon · 11 months ago
    Really enjoyed this post, Jim.

    Makes me wonder how many of the people I engage with on Twitter really look like that. But, I also understand that people like to talk to good looking people. Especially if they're unable to connect with people like that in real life, if they can do it online it's got to be a tremendous ego boost -- both to the follower and the followee. I see why people would want to make themselves attractive. Personally, I always have more pictures of myself when I'm physically at my best. When I'm not, I avoid the camera -- I'd say that's pretty vain. Don't want any "bad" photos showing up on somebody's Facebook album. Come to think of it, maybe I better skip that local Tweetup so folks don't see what I REALLY look like ;-).

    Nice work, Jim. Appreciate your sharing this with us.
  • O'base · 11 months ago
    Things like this happen for several reasons. I guess the number one reason is because people feel bad about their looks. Come to think of it, when the media places too much emphasis on looks, what do you expect? Ads on the web and in print contain photos of beautiful woman and men, made flawless with Photoshop. The result? Your flaws are emphasized. Sad but true.

    Lesson: Never use ads as a judge. You're real and, for a lack of a better expression, they are not.
  • Amber @ Because Babies Grow Up · 11 months ago
    I really agree that it boils down to a trust issue. What else has been altered to appear more than it is? Results? Not likely going to get me for a client!
  • james woodsen · 11 months ago
    Oh c'mon... such self-righteous comments.

    Look, the guy in question is a designer, obviously an expert using Photoshop. I'd say that his online image is a PERFECT MARKETING TOOL, as an example of how adept he is at using the tool to create whatever look is needed!
  • Eric Pederson · 11 months ago
    I've been feeling guilty because I am using a handy head shot from about 5 years ago. I think I look the same now, though naturally with a bit more wear. Should I get a new photo?

    Truth is I've always neglected having photos of myself taken and I have no current pictures, but the last thing I'd want is to deceive someone and lose their trust.

    On a lighter note, I remarked to my wife that we are fortunate & look relatively young for our ages. She retorted that it may be my features are smoothed into looking more youthful by a little extra weight.

    Ah, so tough to be a real person, but here we are!
  • Lucretia Pruitt · 11 months ago
    Ooh now this seems to have hit home Jim... Look at all these comments on both sides of the issue!

    For me, I've only experienced that twice and both times I felt weird about it. Sure, we all use the "better" pictures of ourselves rather than the "dear heavens, how sick were you?" pictures - but if you go beyond reality, what else are you denying about yourself?

    I wear makeup. I color my hair (randomly!) and use other 'appearance enhancing' items, including clothing. But while I do those things to enhance my appearance, I have no desire to go down the Michael Jackson route of altering myself beyond recognition with plastic surgery - so why do it with Photoshop either?

    That said - I will admit to having gained some weight even since the business portrait I use was taken in September... I plan on losing that and more this year. When I do? New photo.

    Same old wrinkles tho... I won't ever be 19 again! :)
  • Marketing Specialist - Jim Con · 11 months ago
    Lucretia,

    I LOVE your analogy about Michael Jackson :)

    I think that it's perfectly OK for any of us to use a flattering picture; but we have to be recognisable.

    Otherwise, it ceases to be a representation of 'us.'
  • Carlos Lorenzo · 11 months ago
    Really? Does that mean I shouldn't show this doctored picture of me twenty years ago? LOL. I have to confess it is tempting, having photoshop around! This is a very real but funny story. Yep, I guess that must harm your credibility, specially if you are ugly or you don't have the key of your Jaguar on sight. No, now seriously, sometimes is better to be honest come what may, to have success in life.
  • Tami Vroma · 11 months ago
    I did not even pay attention to the fact that people may do this. My photo is not doctored just for the record . .lol It is from a couple years ago but I look exactly the same! Well I was teeny tiny then now just average . . lol Although I will tell you a secret! There is no way I would take a pic of myself in the winter- I look like a ghost since I can't wear makeup- allergic! Yuck!
  • Ursula Barzey · 11 months ago
    Interesting that you should post this story. I've been having this internal debate about whether or not to post a picture of myself on my blog header. For the moment, I've decided against as I don't like the most recent picture I have of myself. Vanity yes, but I also can't bring myself to post a picture that is a few years ago. I think that would be completely dishonest and simply not a good idea. Particularly as there will be upcoming opportunities to meet people from my social network contacts offline. Thus, I want to make sure that picture reflects who I am now. I don't want to have an experience like the one you described above.
  • Syyd · 11 months ago
    Carlos, I had people ask me, based on my 20 year old photo, if I was from the big hair band Poison LOL......
  • Barbara Saunders · 11 months ago
    I once made an appointment with a counselor whose entire pitch was something like "waking up to your real life" only to meet a person 20 years older than the person in her publicity photo. That didn't inspire confidence.
  • Jay Groccia · 11 months ago
    Interesting story - I show up at a real estate office to photograph a bunch of agents. One agent was all upset because she broke a crown that morning. I told her, "No problem, I can make it right"
    Here is the before + after:
    http://www.twitpic.com/ps2g
  • Linda Carruth · 11 months ago
    The easiest thing is to just use an older picture. I think most of the people who use Photoshop to retouch their own pics are just demonstrating that they *don't have* any Photoshop skills. Most self-taught Photoshoppers don't.
  • vandy · 11 months ago
    Having an annual photo session is definitely a challenge for the 'photo-phobic'(as so many of us are). I guess we tend to find one that works for us and stick with it. But your article raises a really good point - its just not worth compromising trust for the sake of vanity.
  • ClaudiaBroome · 11 months ago
    Too funny! I had a blind date once who sent a picture so I would know him. He didn't look at all the same. Needless to say,I never went out with him after that first deception.
  • kelly · 11 months ago
    Great article cos it got me thinking!

    Having a pic photoshopped so the person looks 25 years younger may be "too much", but would one have made fuss around one who's gone for cosmetic surgery to make himself look 23 to 40 years younger?

    That is a good question about trust, although: I thought it is common sense to expect people to use already-photoshopped pictures of themselves and especially by a designer.

    On the flip side, this designer shoulda warned that he didn't look close to the pics he had on his site, blah blah and that they were photoshopped.

    If people didn't like who or what they see, they can't blame the person for not saying so in the first place. Blatant honesty is always good!
  • Chrissy Morin · 11 months ago
    This was a really funny post but one that I can relate to only not in business, that seems CRAZY! I do admit to choosing my 'best' photo's that look like me.. but they DO look like me! It was a regular occurrence with online first meeting "dates". They would be either older, LESS hair, Not "athletic and fit" like advertised and it did immediately give them a black eye. I think that would be even more so if you were planning on handing over some of your hard earned $$.
  • Alexander Kintis · 11 months ago
    You think that's bad, have you seen the youtube videos for how many advertisement models are enhanced via photoshop?
  • Amanda · 11 months ago
    I really really dislike photoshop of people. It just makes me so mad. ;o(
    this story is typical though of this new photoshopped society we have here. It's all so fake seeking perfection like this. Young women and men are going out and cutting themselves up trying to emulate the perfect they see on magazine and screen. They never will and never can and its immoral and tasteless
    There. Sorry *off my block now*
  • Claire · 11 months ago
    Don't know that it adds to the story, but I have had the experience of not being recognized from a work website photo(since then the picture has been changed). I was meeting someone (without benefit of having seen any picture)at the request of a friend. I stared at one guy several times who appeared to be the only single male who looked as if they were waiting. Finally I asked if he was the person I was waiting for. He told me I looked nothing like my website picture (which at the time was probably from 2003, on a day that I got up at 4:30 am to go to Western MA for an offsite, where we had a photo shoot). I remember that the picture was "shiny." Beyond that I don't know what to say. My hair goes from long to short, my weight goes up and down. So hard to keep up to date with pictures. But I had no intent to "hide." (I'm 48 and (until recently) always wanted to look older - in pics I tend to look much younger than I am - maybe I look tired in person...). I'm not updating my twitter pic until I shed those holiday pounds...:)
  • matthew Pollock · 11 months ago
    Ironic, after a year+ I recently updated my Twitter image. I had a picture of me from a 70s party. Leather cap and mustache. Always wondered when people who I had not met in real life saw the image whet they thought. Now I know.
  • WhenIGrowUpCoach · 11 months ago
    As an actress, I see this all the time with headshots. Some headshot photographers pride themselves on making the person not only look their best - but to make them look like someone they're not! I purposely stay away from photographers whose books are composed of nothing but "supermodel" shots.

    Whether it's a headshot for acting or a publicity shot for a business, your photo should look like you - now! - on a good day.
  • Healthy Beauty Secrets · 11 months ago
    I believe in the principle, "Who you are is more important than who you appear to be." I personally would have been scared and ended the meeting right away.
  • Jeremy Tanner · 11 months ago
    For me, it's not even a trust issue. The main point of having a picture up on twitter or my blog is so that people can see exactly what I look like. I'd much rather use a mugshot that allows me to be easily identified in person than an image that's been so heavily photoshopped I look better than Denzel Washington.

    Jeremy
  • Jordan Pearce · 11 months ago
    People are shocked to find that I really am a Yahoo! Avatar in real life too. They can't miss me at the Starbucks. :)

    Is it strange that my avatar wears sunglasses to remain incognito?
  • DJ @ Fermentarium · 11 months ago
    That explains alot. I should have used a photoshopped picture instead of my real face!!

    LOL!
  • PG · 11 months ago
    I wonder why your friend didn't find out how old the person was or anything else about him physically before agreeing to meet. It's one thing to broadcast a certain false image of yourself on-line, it's totally another to outright lie to someone you'd like to get to know. I'm not condoning his PhotoShopping tendencies, but it seems to me that an important issue is that your friend didn't really get to know her twitter friend very well before setting up this meeting. I am assuming that her friend didn't deliberately mislead her by giving her false information; she just *assumed* his age and looks based upon his pictures on twitter.
  • Syyd · 11 months ago
    Say, what do we do when we can no longer photoshop? You now, when "age" old reality sets in? :-)))
  • Smartipants · 11 months ago
    Great, thought-provoking topic IF you plan to meet someone in person. All of my avatars are either baby photos, illustrations, or slightly Photoshopped (a few wrinkles removed here and there). My profiles are honest about my age, so if we expect to meet and you think a 1-year-old is coming, maybe you'd better not take my avatars too seriously! LOL
  • Deidre · 11 months ago
    Authors have been doing this for years, I've seen book jacket photos in use for 20 years or more. It never made me think less of an author when I saw the more wrinkled and aged visage at a reading It just seems a touch of vanity, nothing more. It's one thing to misrepresent yourself in a dating profile in your resume photo or something similar but avatars seem to me to be playful by nature and subject to different rules.
  • Successful Home Business · 11 months ago
    Photo doctoring has been going on for some time even before the great photoshop. It is just become easier now with this software.

    Personally, I think cleaning up blemishes, brightening, and such are perfectly fine. However, I have not done that personally. I can understand why some would.

    Of course, I think that it is out of the question for one to heavily doctor into another person entirely or take off 25 years. It certainly hurts your credibility if discovered like in this case.

    Unfortunately, this goes on very frequently online. Many are never discovered because they don't ever put themselves in a place to meet any of their "customers" offline.

    Personally, I think that it is great to get an opportunity to meet any of your customers or followers in an offline setting. It really takes the connection to the next level creating more trust and loyalty.

    To Success,

    Joseph Parton
  • Kate · 11 months ago
    Such a thought provoking post! It does beg the question of whether or not people who choose to portray themselves through excessively photoshopped photos should be trusted.

    I agree with what many others have said that small alterations (blemishes, flyaways, etc) are acceptable. However, I would think twice about someone who had no problem using massive changes to portray themselves. It strikes me as deceptive. If the individual has no problem being deceptive with their avatar, where else will they have no problem using deception?

    I guess this is just another example of where we need to be cautious online. How you choose to portray yourself may have consequences you didn't anticipate.
  • Aliza Sherman · 11 months ago
    Come ON people! This is not DATING. I don't think it is deceitful for someone to PhotoShop the heck out of their avatar, use a cartoon instead of a photo, or use a pic of a side of beef.

    If you are meeting someone from Twitter on a professional basis, it is common practice to ask "what do you look like?" or "what will you be wearing?" Or even "Can I find you based on your Twitter avatar?"

    Forming a business opinion about a Twitterfriend based solely on their avatar "looks," airbrushed or not, is superficial and I feel quite inappropriate.

    I totally am for trust and there are many slippery slopes building trusted online business relationships. But "trusting" someone or not because of the avatar they are using is simply not smart business.

    Personally, I think a 50-something guy touching up his avatar to look 25-something is akin to the 50-something who pulls up to the Starbucks in a flashy Corvette. I'll recognize the mid-life crisis moment but certainly won't hold it against him in business.
  • James Lawson-Smith · 11 months ago
    I think it would be a complete deal breaker for me. It is a bit like the Trades Descriptions Act, if we started touching up product photos so they looked more than they are then we would start getting law suites.

    Yes a little bit of touching up is ok, I admit I have done it with mine. But digital cosmetic surgery is just a bit to far and would completely break any trust built up if it happened to me.
  • Annabel · 11 months ago
    Interesting. I have never liked any photos of me - professional or otherwise. They are definitely not glamorous or flattering. I do find it helpful to haver reasonably up to date photos on my web and to find my contacts' up to date photos so we can meet. So the totally out of date photo does not help, but beyond that I build my trust levels on someone's actions - whatever the packaging or the words, it is what someone does that indicates to me what they are like!
  • Pariss Hardy · 11 months ago
    I know this may be a little off topic ... while reading this blog I caught jim mentioning "They need to believe we will deliver on the service we promise or that the product we supply really will do whatever we claim it will."

    While I am not self-employed, my mind-set isn't any different than if I were self-employed. That I give my all to the job so that hopefully by the time it reaches the client, their expectations have been exceeded and this encourages returning clientele. Now that is my mind-set, but throughout the years I have observed at work that most fellow workers work grudgingly, always critical, nagging that this isn't right, that isn't right and how can they possibly do their job when the customer hasn't done this or that. Like the customer is a real obstacle/problem to them!

    Why is it that when we purchase something, we "expect" value for our money, but when the roles are reversed, and now here we are the ones offering a service, the mentality becomes the opposite? This is the one draw back to being employed by others I think anyways. We tend to turn off something in our brains when it is our turn to return the favour we expect others to do for us when we part with our money in return for a service or product.

    Go figure.
  • James · 7 months ago
    Maybe I am just trolling, but it really irks me when people break up the word 'Photoshop' as 'Photo Shop,' 'PhotoShop,' et al. The application name on my dock is 'Adobe Photoshop CS4.' One word.